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[Nick B]

Nick,

Yes but if you are maintaining proper distance from the pressurized rocket you will be safe and with the fiberglass, you would comply with the rules of rocketry (not just ours but the NAR as well).

well,
Summary:
1: the metal launch rails are compliant.
2: WRA rules are for competition only

[Nick B]

It's always puzzled us why new people conclude that they need a massive Saturn V launch tower with gantries to launch water rockets..

Because they are cheaper to make than carbon fiber rockets.

[Nick B]

It's always puzzled us why new people conclude that they need a massive Saturn V launch tower with gantries to launch water rockets. Anything more than an adjustable launch tube is merely overkill.

Everybody with long rockets need long launch rails or launch tubes.

Even yours is almost 12 feet long. And you have a high launch velocity. Smaller dia nozzles like QDCs suck at launch pad numbers. I'd expect, the majority of water rocket enthusiasts use QDCs and launch rails vs launch tubes, due to ease of construction. This sport began with 2 liters and launch rails, and is....still....... dominated by that factor.


If you launch long heavy multiple 2 liter assemblies, a long sturdy rail and pad system is a defacto requirement to prevent the killing of innocent nearby objects like the neighbors dog, SUV, bay windows, with errant rockets turn cruise missile.

[WRA2]

Nick,

Yes but if you are maintaining proper distance from the pressurized rocket you will be safe and with the fiberglass, you would comply with the rules of rocketry (not just ours but the NAR as well).

well,
Summary:
1: the metal launch rails are compliant.
2: WRA rules are for competition only

Nick,
1. The metal rail would be compliant but any "guides" used which are attached to the rocket cannot be metal.

2. No the rules ware based off the NAR rules for all of rocketry which were created with FAA airspace permissions in mind.

Also it is a good idea to build all rockets compliant in the event you do decide to compete in the future or you were flying your rocket at a NAR launch site. You would not want to paint yourself in a corner with a non compliant design that was impossible to retrofit.

[WRA2]

If you launch long heavy multiple 2 liter assemblies, a long sturdy rail and pad system is a defacto requirement to prevent the killing of innocent nearby objects like the neighbors dog, SUV, bay windows, with errant rockets turn cruise missile.

If you are worrying about the safety of the neighbors SUV, you should be reconsidering the size of your launch site or building smaller rockets. The nozzle size should also be increased if there is a danger of an unstable flight.

[WRA2]

This sport began with 2 liters and launch rails, and is....still....... dominated by that factor.

Interesting you mention how the sport began. Were you there?

You were still in diapers when the WRA2 was founded and the sport began long before that.

[Nick B]

hey you people really need to loosen up

Georgelover....

[Nick B]

This sport began with 2 liters and launch rails, and is....still....... dominated by that factor.

Interesting you mention how the sport began. Were you there?

You were still in diapers when the WRA2 was founded and the sport began long before that.

but i'm still right......

[Team Seneca]

This sport began with 2 liters and launch rails, and is....still....... dominated by that factor.

Interesting you mention how the sport began. Were you there?

You were still in diapers when the WRA2 was founded and the sport began long before that.

but i'm still right......

Why are you still here?

Can't you please reinstate your boycott of this forum and resume your attempts to resuscitate other disused forums so you can complain on them about how poorly you get treated here every time you troll the contributing members that participate over here?

[Nick B]

Why are you still here?

Can't you please reinstate your boycott of this forum and resume your attempts to resuscitate other disused forums so you can complain on them about how poorly you get treated here every time you troll the contributing members that participate over here?

Let's boil this down to simple facts Bill.



A new member posts up his rocket and launcher pics...................you tell him it sucks.................. and his launcher sucks............


and then witchunt the origin of the designs, and now another group.


An organization or association is supposed to unite people with a common hobby or sport, for the greater good of the members and the hobby.


When the organization or association divides and creates conflict, the hobby suffers as a whole, people divide, drives away customers, members, competitors. and it taints the professionalism and reputation of the organization, association, and those who drive the conflict.


I'm here stating my opinion that his rocket and launcher are good and his hard work has paid off, instead of kicking the tires and downgrading his hard work and effort.

[The Mooseheads]

This sport began with 2 liters and launch rails, and is....still....... dominated by that factor.

Interesting you mention how the sport began. Were you there?

You were still in diapers when the WRA2 was founded and the sport began long before that.

but i'm still right......

Water rockets have been around at least since the 1950's, and they never used of needed launch tubes or guide rails of any type, and they worked just fine.

You're still not right.

It looks more like you're just being contrarian so that you can stir up arguments with people here because you get off on arguing.

Let's get this thread back on topic.

[The Mooseheads]

I'm here stating my opinion that his rocket and launcher are good and his hard work has paid off, instead of kicking the tires and downgrading his hard work and effort.

If you were interested in promoting harmony and all that, you wouldn't be going around interpreting every comment or safety suggestion anyone makes to a new guy as mockery. it's almost as if you're going out of your way to foment the exact opposite feelings you claim to support.

Do you just like to stir the pot, or do you hope to see someone get hurt because people are afraid to point out ways to improve rocket safety in a thread because of fear of your reprisal?

If it turns out that you are who Bill has indicated, then you have committed several more forum rules infractions. I will be following up on this information.

[WRA2]

The posts debating the recommendation of certain external websites has been moved here.

[WRA2]

Why are you still here?

Can't you please reinstate your boycott of this forum and resume your attempts to resuscitate other disused forums so you can complain on them about how poorly you get treated here every time you troll the contributing members that participate over here?

Let's boil this down to simple facts Bill.



A new member posts up his rocket and launcher pics...................you tell him it sucks.................. and his launcher sucks............


and then witchunt the origin of the designs, and now another group.


An organization or association is supposed to unite people with a common hobby or sport, for the greater good of the members and the hobby.


When the organization or association divides and creates conflict, the hobby suffers as a whole, people divide, drives away customers, members, competitors. and it taints the professionalism and reputation of the organization, association, and those who drive the conflict.


I'm here stating my opinion that his rocket and launcher are good and his hard work has paid off, instead of kicking the tires and downgrading his hard work and effort.

I moved this discussion and feel the need to answer since Nick still doesn't "get it".

The association has every right to "recommend" designs and websites of its members over independent sites (one of the perks of membership and incentive for "independents" to join up). We also have the right to recommend against designs and websites of those who are not members or the designs do not comply with the safety rules for rocketry.

We also encourage "team rivalries" as it breeds healthy competition amongst the teams which in turn advances the technology available to everyone.(whether the teams are members or not).

It is people like you that argue about every rule that the association rules like they were created to only apply against you or your designs. The rules have been in place for over 10 years now and were based off the NAR rules for pyro rocketry so everyone should be aware of them and designing accordingly. If there are websites out there demonstrating non compliant designs, materials, pressurization systems, recovery systems etc., they should be either boycotted or the designs (if used) re-engineered to be compliant.

There isn't a better way to unite everyone in the community than having everyone on the same page and building compliant rockets. Recommending compliant sites and designs helps avoid confusion and misunderstandings.

What if a new person came along and built one of those designs to attempt a new record with and then found out that all their hard work was for nothing because the design used an aluminum nozzle or metal bracing. We would be the one that would catch the flak from them because we denied the flight attempt, not the site they got the instructions on how to build it from. The site in question has no disclaimers to warn people that the designs and instructions shown there use materials that are not legal to fly in most parts of the world and are not allowed in most competitions. We have the right to warn people about it.

[Team Seneca]

Why are you still here?

Can't you please reinstate your boycott of this forum and resume your attempts to resuscitate other disused forums so you can complain on them about how poorly you get treated here every time you troll the contributing members that participate over here?

Let's boil this down to simple facts Bill.

A new member posts up his rocket and launcher pics...................you tell him it sucks.................. and his launcher sucks............

and then witchunt the origin of the designs, and now another group.

An organization or association is supposed to unite people with a common hobby or sport, for the greater good of the members and the hobby.

When the organization or association divides and creates conflict, the hobby suffers as a whole, people divide, drives away customers, members, competitors. and it taints the professionalism and reputation of the organization, association, and those who drive the conflict.

I'm here stating my opinion that his rocket and launcher are good and his hard work has paid off, instead of kicking the tires and downgrading his hard work and effort.

Your rocket must have exploded and blinded you with metal fragments because you apparently cannot see well enough to read. I never said anything about any rockets or launchers. I was just calling you out for your immature rants and disruptions because you are a career internet forum troll with a rap sheet of warnings and bans as long as your arm.